Memories…
Ladies and gentlemen, SO WHAT!?!
So OSU didn’t make it to the BCS game again.
Fans from ages past would hang their heads in shame at the lot of you.
You’re upset over a Big 10 record 20 straight conference victories?!?
You’re upset over a 28-game regular season winning streak?!?
You’re upset over two straight Big Ten championships?!?
You’re upset that your team has been dominant enough have a chance to beat Michigan for ANOTHER championship, and a trip to the Rose Bowl for the first time in ten years?!?
You’re actually angry?!?
Illinois Open Thread
Illinois brings a strong 7-3 team (3rd in the Big10) to the ‘Shoe on senior day, seven days before the Big 10 Championship game. (Yes, the Big 10 has a championship game, just like the SEC. We don’t play ours every year, but we do most years.)
Are the Bucks going to get caught looking ahead to Michigan? Keith says “nope.” Eleven Warriors postulates that Illinois’ chance to win might have gone down with Matta’s loss earlier this week.
This is the first week where Tressel’s gameplan is absolutely transparent. Stop Mendenhall, and you beat Illinois. Zook knows that the OSU front seven is the best he’s going to face this year, and will probably try to keep them honest by going vertical a few times or using some trick plays out of a spread option setup. Watch the Vest counter by mixing formations back and forth between the even and odd man fronts.
I drove by the Horseshoe yesterday, and the crews were setting up the lights. With a 3:30 kickoff, this game – the final home game, the final game for the seniors (and some star juniors, no doubt) – will be played mostly after dark. The night has been very good to OSU this season.
This week’s questions:
- Final score?
- Will Mendenhall be kept under 100?
- Will Wisconsin beat Michigan?
- Do you think this is the last time that juniors Robiskie, Jenkins, Laurinaitis and Gholston will play in the ‘Shoe?
sportsMonkey’s answers:
Final Score? – OSU 38-20
Mendenhall? – 85 yards net, thanks to a few TFLs.
Wisco vs. UM? – OSU tenderized Wisco last week; too many starters are now injured to be a threat to the Wolverines. UM would have no excuses for losing this game. That being said, it is Camp Randall in November…
Juniors? – Personally, I think it depends on how the season ends. Trip/victory in the BCS title game, and they’re probably all gone. I’m thinking Jenkins and Robiskie will head to the NFL no matter what happens, though. Word on the street is that A.J. Hawk is trying to convince the Little Animal to stay.
Sylvester Yon-Rambo’s answers:
Final Score? – OSU 45-6
Mendenhall? – 53 yards no way he gets through the line. I hear Mendenhal and ARMS will just arm wrestle for yardage all game long.
Wisco vs. UM? -I have said all week that Wisky will get this win. scUM is just plain awful even in wins they look bad. Wisky sucks too but it is at home and they have to have this win for them to get the capital one bowl lol.
Juniors? – I dont think it matters that WE WILL win the BCS NC game. I believe this is the year we dont lose all our talented juniors. The mere fact that little animal has discussed all of them coming back next year in interviews is enough for me to believe they will all return. Of coarse I was 110% that Gonzo and Pittman would return. (Oh Pittman what a horrible decision you made) Hopefully that will be all they need to know they must comeback 1 more year. If Pittman isnt enough to convince them I have lined up a few FAT ENVELOPES to be stuck into thier lockers or coat pockets by some “Car Dealers” form the Toledo area. So if they get caught I can say I bet they were scUM fans those stupid car dealers from Toledo always are.
el Kaiser’s answers:
Final Score? – OSU 34-23
Mendenhall? – 101, over. I’m going against the grain here, but Mendenhall is all they’ve got. If he doesn’t get his hundred plus, they don’t score a touchdown.
Wisco vs. UM? – Michigan wins close, 24-21, but at what cost? Henne or Hart suffers an injury that hampers him greatly for next week.
Juniors? – I feel like Jenkins and Gholston are gone, no matter what happens. As much as it pains me to say, I think Little Animal is gone when we win the MNC. Robiskie seems like the kind of kid that sticks around.
Zeke’s answers:
Final Score? – OSU 33-16
Mendenhall? – under, but I think he will come close.
Wisco vs. UM? – Either way the Big Ten Title will be decided next week. That being said I think Michigan wins a close game.
Juniors? – I also believe the end of the season will have an influence on who stays and who leaves. As for now, I think Jenkins will leave early and all of the others will stay.
Data on Common Opponents – Illinois

How many of you knew that it was Illinois, and not Michigan, that used to be OSU’s primary rival? The annual matchup with Michigan didn’t really become a full-blown rivalry until WWII. Prior to that era, however, the Buckeyes and the Illini were among the fiercest rivals in college football. They met on the last game of the season until 1933, and have been on each other’s schedule every year but two (2003 and 2004).
To this day the teams pass back and forth the “Illibuck,” the second-oldest trophy in the league. They originally passed back and forth a real turtle, but its death in 1927 caused them to modify the tradition. Since then, nine wooden replicas of the original Illibuck turtle have been carved, each with the scores of the games on its back. Yes, Illy Illibuck even has a Facebook page.
Bonus tradition goodness: Honor societies from both schools used to ritualistically share a “special” peace pipe at halftime. I assume the tradition stopped due to the lack of twinkies and BBQ potato chips in the vending machines at the ‘Shoe.
The tables list the opponent(s) in chronological order down the first column, and include the following ‘important’ stats: total points (Pts), total yards (Yds), total first downs (Dwns), and turnovers (TOs); for each team and its opponent (Opp).
Table 1: Illinois
| Pts | Pts (opp) | Yds | Yds (opp) | Frst Dwns | Dwns (opp) | TOs | TOs (opp) | |
| Penn State | 27 | 20 | 336 | 427 | 17 | 18 | 2 | 4 |
| Wisconsin | 31 | 26 | 410 | 519 | 18 | 28 | 0 | 2 |
| Minnesota | 44 | 17 | 655 | 337 | 27 | 18 | 2 | 1 | TOTAL | 102 | 63 | 1401 | 1283 | 62 | 64 | 4 | 7 |
| AVERAGE | 34 | 21 | 467 | 427.7 | 20.1 | 21.3 | 1.3 | 2.3 |
Table 2: Ohio State
| Pts | Pts (opp) | Yds | Yds (opp) | Frst Dwns | Dwns (opp) | TOs | TOs (opp) | |
| Minnesota | 30 | 7 | 459 | 277 | 24 | 15 | 1 | 2 |
| Penn State | 37 | 17 | 453 | 263 | 24 | 14 | 1 | 2 |
| Wisconsin | 38 | 17 | 377 | 281 | 21 | 15 | 0 | 2 |
| TOTAL | 105 | 41 | 1289 | 821 | 69 | 44 | 2 | 6 |
| AVERAGE | 35 | 13.7 | 429.7 | 273.7 | 23 | 14.7 | 0.7 | 2 |
Oohh!! Oooh! Bonus table goodness this week!! The values in Table 3 indicate a team’s overall performance, percentage-wise, against the average numbers the common opponents typically allow.
For example, in the table below, Illinois scored an average of 24% more points on these common opponents than what those opponents typically allow, while the Illini defense held these opponents to 27% fewer points than what they were typically used to, and so on.
Table 3: Performance against what Common Opponents Typically Allow
| % Scoring | % Scoring Defense | % Yards | % Yards Allowed | |
| Illinois | +24 | -27 | +15 | +6 |
| OSU | +26 | -52 | +8 | -32 |
Notes:
At first glance, it seems the teams perform similarly to one another. That’s if you skim the Average and Total rows in Tables 1 and 2. However, compare the games themselves. Look at how Illinois performed against Penn State (7 point differential) to how OSU performed against that same team (20 point differential). Wisconsin is very similar: the Illini won by less than a touchdown, where OSU beat the Badgers by three touchdowns. Moral: the Illini’s performance against hapless Minnesota seems to be skewing its averages.
Also notice the scoring trends. (It’s why we list the teams chronologically.) Both teams’ offenses are scoring more points each game. FWIW.
Check out the Yards Allowed column in Table 3. Illinois is actually allowing opponents 6% more yards than what they typically average. It hasn’t come back to bite them, though, as their offense has performed well enough to cover for the weakness.
Anything else jump out at you?
Big 10 Roundtable – Week 11
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We’re a bit late to the party on the Big 10 Blogger Network, and we thank the rest of the group for inviting us. You’ll notice the new widget to your right – make sure you keep up with the posts from the other members of our fine community.
Anyway, BTC is hosting this week’s roundtable discussion. Brad’s questions and our responses follow below:
1. Every year we hear that the quality of play in the Big Ten is “down” and that the conference as a whole is “weak”. This season most pundits would consider the Pac 10 or SEC as superior conferences. Give your best argument for the over strength of the Big Ten and evaluated how your team would be doing if they were placed in either the Pac 10 or the SEC.
This “my conference is better than yours” argument is very new to college football. For most of history, it’s only come up in the context of non-conference or bowl games. But in 2003/04, Auburn was pushed out of a shot at the national title game, and the SEC ADs and coaches got angry. They organized themselves and began a four-year, nonstop marketing campaign aimed at changing reality through perception; specifically, that the SEC was superior to everyone else. Terms like “SEC speed” were coined, and myths were created. ESPN ate it up, and the rest is history.
Again, the “conference wars” are a very new phenomenon. Using history’s way of comparing conferences, the SEC is fair-to-middlin’ at best. They have a very unimpressive nonconference performance. They lose most of their bowl games. And they seem to be terribly inconsistent.
However, using the same criteria, it seems clear that the Pac 10 is the toughest overall conference this year. Bowl victories, impressive non-conference wins, and generally consistent play abound. Every conference has some measure of parity, but the Pac 10 has about four or five teams’ worth of it at the top. Would anyone have wanted Washington’s schedule this year?
Therefore, it seems that the Big 10 lies in between the Pac 10 and the SEC, strength-wise.
Where might OSU fit in as regards the superior Pac 10 conference? Let’s compare OSU to Oregon via a common opponent – Washington. Against the Huskies, Oregon was more impressive offensively, where Ohio State was more impressive defensively. OSU won the game by 19 points, and Oregon won their game by 21 points. One important observation: OSU was dominant and in control for the entire game against the Huskies… but the Ducks entered the fourth quarter tied with Washington. For me, therefore, it’s clear that OSU’s strength is at least very similar to Oregon’s overall, and therefore, the Buckeyes would probably be performing at a similar pace (atop the conference).
2. Pick your team’s Most Valuable Player to date and tell us why he should be in consideration for Big Ten Player of the Year.
Boeckman. Instead of making the case myself, I’ll direct you to some cogent points recently made by Pfef @ AtO:
Boeckman has played beyond the role of caretaker that everybody expected him to be this year, leading the Big Ten in Passer Rating by a ridiculous 21+ points, completion percentage, yards per pass attempt, and is tied for second in the conference in touchdowns. Not half bad for a guy that has the second least passes attempted for starting quarterbacks in the conference.
To put Boeckman’s stats against some of the other Heisman contenders, there is no reason to believe that Boeckman shouldn’t be at least a part of the Heisman conversation. His yards are right on line with Dixon, and his completion percentage (66%) is almost identical to Tebow’s and Dixon’s 68% rates. Boeckman actually averages less pass attempts per game than either Tebow or Dixon, and he still has more TDs through the air than either of them.
3. Sure it’s the time of year that has most fans looking ahead to Bowl games, but we covered that last week. Plus, basketball season has officially begun! If you plan on covering basketball, give a brief analysis on your team and how far they will go in this year’s postseason (Final 4, Sweet 16, NIT, friend’s couch, etc.).
I’ll let el Kaiser expand on this… he probably has more insight than I. I’m thinking Sweet 16, though.
Bonus Question:
It’s time again for annual “rip on the BCS” party! In your opinion, what is the best way for college football to determine its National Championship?
Current BCS system, current system plus one, 16-team playoff, 4-team playoff, something totally cool I’ve never even thought of before?
The BCS system has problems, but most people don’t realize the problems we’d encounter with a playoff system. I still think the BCS could be tweaked to be more credible.
Remember, the problem the BCS was created to solve was NOT to “match up the two best teams in the country.” ESPN is pushing that myth. Remember how bad it was in the late 90s, when teams couldn’t be matched up due to bowl affiliations? That’s what the BCS system addressed. How to get someone like 1997 Michigan out of the Rose Bowl, so that it could play 1997 Nebraska for a no-questions, undisputed, winner-takes-all matchup.
The BCS was designed to match up the teams ranked #1 and #2, giving them a way out of any potential contractual bowl obligation. That is NOT the same as “matching up the two best teams.” It’s the voters who determine who is #1 and #2, not the BCS.
Therefore, improve the voter polls, and you’ll make the BCS more credible. Step one would be to get rid of preseason rankings. Shoot, get rid of rankings altogether until bowl season nears. That fix alone could separate out the wheat from the chaff.
It’s been over two years…
…since Ohio State last lost a conference game.
On October 8, 2005, OSU lost a frustrating matchup against Penn State. The following week, the Buckeyes started a conference winning streak that has lasted until now.
A Big Ten record 20 straight conference victories. Eleven of those earned against ranked teams.
The last time Ohio State lost to a Big Ten opponent:
- The NHL lockout was ending.
- New Orleans was still draining water after Hurricane Katrina.
- Ted Koppel was planning his retirement.
- Movies like Capote, Into the Blue, and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory were playing in theaters.
- Matt Leinart was on pace for what everyone assumed would be a second Heisman Trophy.
- Mike Hart and Chad Henne were only 0-1 against the Buckeyes.
- Chris “Beanie” Wells was in high school.
If you extend the record and include the entire 2005 season, and all the non-conference and bowl games since then, Ohio State is 32-3.
32-3.
About those three losses? 2005 Penn State, who finished ranked #3 in the country. 2005 Texas, who finished ranked #1. And 2006 Florida, also #1.
To sum up:
- Three seasons.
- 35 opponents (15 of them ranked!!)
- 32 victories.
- Only 3 losses, to two national champions and a #3 squad.
And it’s not going to end soon, folks: There are still three more games to go in the season. And depending on the number of juniors that jump to the NFL, OSU’s 2008 team figures to be even stronger than in years past.
It boggles the mind as to why some still question Ohio State’s #1 ranking.
Michigan fans – the biggest OSU supporters in CFB
If OSU beats Illinois next week, Michigan locks up a spot in the Rose, no matter what happens in their final two games. (Even if they lose for the rest of the season, they’re in to the Rose with a Buckeye win over Illinois).
Explanation? So long as OSU wins this Saturday, Michigan is in with a win over the Bucks (Big 10 champs, tiebreaker rules), or a loss against the Bucks (OSU would vacate the spot for a trip to New Orleans).
Granted, the latter assumes that the Rose would select UM in the Bucks’ place – which technically, they don’t have to do. But history shows that’d be a near lock.
What is more satisfying about this? That a Big Ten team who suffered the most humiliating loss in college football history has a shot at representing the conference in the grandaddy of all bowl games? Or that it will happen only if OSU allows it to happen?
In short, it’s not Lloyd Carr, or Chad Henne, or Mike Hart, or Jake Long that control Michigan’s destiny. It’s Jim Tressel that does. How awesome is that?!?
If the Bucks lose to Illinois, it gets a bit messier for UM. Win out and it’s the Rose, drop one and it could be the Capital One bowl.
As for the Buckeyes, there are four possible bowl games:
- Beat Illinois, Beat UM = BCS title game
Lose Illinois, Beat UM = Rose
Beat Illinois, Lose UM = BCS at-large – or – Capital One (unlikely)
Lose Illinois, Lose UM = Capital One – or – BCS at-large (unlikely)
Sing it with me, Michigan fans**: O-H!!
** ‘Cmon… Your boy Braylon Edwards has been singing it…
UPDATE:
Some commenters have pointed out two important things I totally neglected… first, UM must finish in the top 14 to have an at-large shot at the Rose, and secondly, the BCS has a stated policy of avoiding matchups in bowl games if possible.
In short, that means it’s pretty unlikely that UM will get to the Rose after all. The only paths to Pasadena for Carr’s team are (1) for OSU to lose one of its last two games while UM wins out, or (2) for Oregon to self-destruct and lose the Pac10. Any other scenario occurs, and it’s likely the Capital One bowl for the Wolverines. (Where they’ll play the LSU/Tennessee loser, probably.)
Shhh….
…nobody tell them that we’d be happy with 8th place… okay?!?

Data on Common Opponents – Wisconsin
Time to move on from everything good and bad about Penn State. Here are the numbers for this weekend’s OSU/Wisconsin matchup.
The tables list the opponent(s) in chronological order down the first column, and include the following ‘important’ stats: total points (Pts), total yards (Yds), total first downs (Dwns), and turnovers (TOs); for each team and its opponent (Opp).
Table 1: Wisconsin
| Pts | Pts (opp) | Yds | Yds (opp) | Frst Dwns | Dwns (opp) | TOs | TOs (opp) | |
| Michigan State | 37 | 34 | 461 | 564 | 25 | 22 | 2 | 1 |
| Penn State | 7 | 38 | 331 | 437 | 17 | 27 | 3 | 1 | TOTAL | 44 | 72 | 792 | 1001 | 42 | 49 | 5 | 2 |
| AVERAGE | 22 | 36 | 396 | 500.5 | 21 | 24.5 | 2.5 | 1 |
Table 2: Ohio State
| Pts | Pts (opp) | Yds | Yds (opp) | Frst Dwns | Dwns (opp) | TOs | TOs (opp) | |
| Michigan State | 24 | 17 | 422 | 185 | 22 | 9 | 2 | 1 |
| Penn State | 37 | 17 | 453 | 263 | 24 | 14 | 1 | 2 |
| TOTAL | 61 | 34 | 875 | 448 | 46 | 23 | 3 | 3 |
| AVERAGE | 30.5 | 17 | 437.5 | 224 | 23 | 11.5 | 1.5 | 1.5 |
Notes:
Again, the OSU defensive numbers stand out. The Silver Bullets only allowed between 45-47% of the numbers that the Badgers’ defense gave up. Wisconsin has a good secondary, ranking 3rd in the conference against the pass. However, they have a rather pathetic front seven, ranking 8th against the rush (in between Purdue and Northwestern). OSU’s backfield should be quite successful again this weekend.
Offensively, the two teams have similar numbers in yardage and first downs, but the Buckeyes are somehow turning those similar numbers into 9 more points per game.
If it wasn’t for the fact that the Vest is 1-3 against Wisconsin (well, against Barry Alvarez anyway), one could predict another easy victory for the Buckeyes.
What say you?
Owner of PSU fan violence video identified (UPDATED)
Gaetano Sacco, the Vice President of Pi Kappa Alpha, has been identified as the source of the YouTube video that sparked public outrage this week.
The YouTube account name of the user who uploaded the video was “crazysacc,” which is also the AOL Instant Messenger screen name of Pi Kappa Alpha Vice President Gaetano Sacco (junior-film).
Sacco was reached by cell phone but had no comment.
By last night, all of the videos posted on YouTube by “crazysacc” had been removed, and the account was canceled.
The State College Police Department is investigating the case, but Sgt. Keith Robb, the officer investigating the case, could not be reached for comment.
Hope you like being made an example of, Gaetano. Your self-incriminating idiocy might have just cost you a PSU film degree. How terribly ironic.
UPDATE:
Penn State has published a response to the incident. el Kaiser & I swore we wouldn’t harp on this incident too long… that we’d have our say and move on. However, the response requires some commentary.
The message from PSU is quite clear: nothing to see here, it’s someone else’s fault, and we don’t see a need right now for the university itself to engage in any discipline. Here’s the statement, with all of the the “it’s everyone else’s responsibility” spin highlighted in bold:
An investigation into a homemade video posted to YouTube that depicted Penn State fans hurling objects at two Ohio State fans prior to a football matchup on Oct. 27 has yielded information on some of the participants, including the fact that the main actor shown in the video is not a Penn State student.
The off-campus incident, captured on video behind the Pi Kappa Alpha fraternity house located in the Borough of State College, is being widely condemned by University officials and fans from both schools. Local police have been investigating and have discovered that the person most prominently displayed in the video is a student at the University of Pittsburgh who was visiting for the weekend. Penn State’s Office of Judicial Affairs has been in touch with administrators at that university. In addition, the two Ohio State fans who are shown in the video have been identified as members of the Pi Kappa Alpha fraternity at Ohio State. It is reported that they attended a party Friday evening at the Penn State chapter house, but upon arriving on Saturday were not welcome.
Penn State officials have consulted with the Pi Kappa Alpha International Fraternity to determine what action might be taken against the fraternity while the investigation into the incident continues. Penn State’s Office of Fraternity and Sorority Life has temporarily suspended Pi Kappa Alpha chapter activities until the investigation is complete. The fraternity also has received notice from its national headquarters that its charter has been administratively suspended. If it is determined that the local fraternity violated any policies of the Pi Kappa Alpha International Fraternity, its affiliation could be in jeopardy.
Anyone with more information on this incident should contact the local police at (814) 234-7150.

