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		<title>By: sportsMonkey</title>
		<link>http://menofthescarletandgray.com/2008/12/27/it-starts-plus-the-reality-behind-the-big-tens-perceived-weakness/comment-page-1/#comment-105449</link>
		<dc:creator>sportsMonkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the correction, Ski U Mah Gopher. More proof that the Big 10 would have had better success overall had OSU not gone to the BCS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the correction, Ski U Mah Gopher. More proof that the Big 10 would have had better success overall had OSU not gone to the BCS.</p>
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		<title>By: Ski U Mah Gopher</title>
		<link>http://menofthescarletandgray.com/2008/12/27/it-starts-plus-the-reality-behind-the-big-tens-perceived-weakness/comment-page-1/#comment-105364</link>
		<dc:creator>Ski U Mah Gopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 20:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually Minnesota would have played WMU in the Motor City Bowl.  Minnesota actually would have had a good shot at winning that game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually Minnesota would have played WMU in the Motor City Bowl.  Minnesota actually would have had a good shot at winning that game.</p>
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		<title>By: sportsMonkey</title>
		<link>http://menofthescarletandgray.com/2008/12/27/it-starts-plus-the-reality-behind-the-big-tens-perceived-weakness/comment-page-1/#comment-105242</link>
		<dc:creator>sportsMonkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 13:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points, Texas Wahoo.

Even though the B10 doesn&#039;t _technically_ have a championship game, 80% of the time the OSU/Mich game is for the championship, &amp; it&#039;s the last game of the season.

You&#039;re right - last year, UM&#039;s loss to OSU for the Big 10 title cost them a shot at a BCS game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points, Texas Wahoo.</p>
<p>Even though the B10 doesn&#8217;t _technically_ have a championship game, 80% of the time the OSU/Mich game is for the championship, &#038; it&#8217;s the last game of the season.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right &#8211; last year, UM&#8217;s loss to OSU for the Big 10 title cost them a shot at a BCS game.</p>
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		<title>By: Texas Wahoo</title>
		<link>http://menofthescarletandgray.com/2008/12/27/it-starts-plus-the-reality-behind-the-big-tens-perceived-weakness/comment-page-1/#comment-105222</link>
		<dc:creator>Texas Wahoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would also add that I think one of the major factors leading to Big Ten teams getting selected more often for BCS bowls is the fact that there is no championship game - and thus the best teams in the conference are unlikely to end the season with a loss.  The BCS tends to not like to take teams that recently lost, even if they are more highly ranked than teams that lost in the middle of the season.  I also think the Rose Bowl wanting to have Big Ten-Pac 10 all the time plays a part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would also add that I think one of the major factors leading to Big Ten teams getting selected more often for BCS bowls is the fact that there is no championship game &#8211; and thus the best teams in the conference are unlikely to end the season with a loss.  The BCS tends to not like to take teams that recently lost, even if they are more highly ranked than teams that lost in the middle of the season.  I also think the Rose Bowl wanting to have Big Ten-Pac 10 all the time plays a part.</p>
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		<title>By: Texas Wahoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Texas Wahoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Well, if by “regular basis” you mean the last two years only. Number of years that a conference has sent two teams to BCS bowls (out of 11):&quot;

I was largely referring to the last couple of years because the idea that the Big Ten is overrated seems to be have come about in that time period.  I never heard many people talk about the Big Ten being overrated before the last few years.  Perhaps they were underdogs in many of their bowl games then as well (I don&#039;t know), but I don&#039;t remember many people saying the Big Ten needed big bowl showings in those years to prove themselves.

Also - the Big XII has had two 5 years if you are counting this year (which you seem to be doing for the other conferences).

As a side-bar, I had no idea the ACC was 1-9 in BCS bowls.  That is terrible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Well, if by “regular basis” you mean the last two years only. Number of years that a conference has sent two teams to BCS bowls (out of 11):&#8221;</p>
<p>I was largely referring to the last couple of years because the idea that the Big Ten is overrated seems to be have come about in that time period.  I never heard many people talk about the Big Ten being overrated before the last few years.  Perhaps they were underdogs in many of their bowl games then as well (I don&#8217;t know), but I don&#8217;t remember many people saying the Big Ten needed big bowl showings in those years to prove themselves.</p>
<p>Also &#8211; the Big XII has had two 5 years if you are counting this year (which you seem to be doing for the other conferences).</p>
<p>As a side-bar, I had no idea the ACC was 1-9 in BCS bowls.  That is terrible.</p>
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		<title>By: sportsMonkey</title>
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		<dc:creator>sportsMonkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Texas Wahoo:

&quot;The Big XII are also getting two teams into the BCS on a regular basis&quot;

Well, if by &quot;regular basis&quot; you mean the last two years only. Number of years that a conference has sent two teams to BCS bowls (out of 11):

Big 10: 8
SEC: 6
Big 12: 4

And half of the Big 12&#039;s 4 were last year and this one (07-08). Clearly not a trend.

&quot;I guess the difference is that the Big Ten’s second team generally doesn’t seem to deserve to be in a BCS bowl (tOSU this year, Ill last year)&quot;

...that&#039;s exactly my point, although it&#039;s not as simple as &quot;doesn&#039;t deserve.&quot; Again, the Big 10 (1) too popular and (2) too good for its own good. Too many big 10 teams consistently finishing in the top 10 every year, combined with their huge fanbases makes for an attractive package, even if it&#039;s #15 Illnois against #5 USC, or #3 Texas against #10 OSU.

No other conference has to deal with that, in part because (1) no other conference finishes two teams ranked in the top 10 as consistently as the Big 10 does, and (2) no other conference has as many fans who are willing to travel to warm climates in January, making their BCS selection more attractive to bowl administrators.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Texas Wahoo:</p>
<p>&#8220;The Big XII are also getting two teams into the BCS on a regular basis&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, if by &#8220;regular basis&#8221; you mean the last two years only. Number of years that a conference has sent two teams to BCS bowls (out of 11):</p>
<p>Big 10: 8<br />
SEC: 6<br />
Big 12: 4</p>
<p>And half of the Big 12&#8242;s 4 were last year and this one (07-08). Clearly not a trend.</p>
<p>&#8220;I guess the difference is that the Big Ten’s second team generally doesn’t seem to deserve to be in a BCS bowl (tOSU this year, Ill last year)&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;that&#8217;s exactly my point, although it&#8217;s not as simple as &#8220;doesn&#8217;t deserve.&#8221; Again, the Big 10 (1) too popular and (2) too good for its own good. Too many big 10 teams consistently finishing in the top 10 every year, combined with their huge fanbases makes for an attractive package, even if it&#8217;s #15 Illnois against #5 USC, or #3 Texas against #10 OSU.</p>
<p>No other conference has to deal with that, in part because (1) no other conference finishes two teams ranked in the top 10 as consistently as the Big 10 does, and (2) no other conference has as many fans who are willing to travel to warm climates in January, making their BCS selection more attractive to bowl administrators.</p>
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		<title>By: Texas Wahoo</title>
		<link>http://menofthescarletandgray.com/2008/12/27/it-starts-plus-the-reality-behind-the-big-tens-perceived-weakness/comment-page-1/#comment-105213</link>
		<dc:creator>Texas Wahoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The bowls are not drawn up years ahead of time. From their inception, they have very specific conference affiliation: champ goes here, #2 goes there, #3 goes there, etc. (Or, more specifically, the bowl gets first choice, second choice, third choice, etc. which usually ends up being 1-2-3-etc.).&quot;

While this is generally true.  The bowl affiliations are just long term agreements - they can change.  The latest round of bowl arrangements has seen the Big East get shoved down to worse bowls because of the perceived weakness of the conference.

&quot;But back to the main point: The Big 10 isn’t getting bad matchups because they’re a weak conference. They’re getting unfavorable matchups because their popularity is resulting in getting two teams to BCS games on a regular basis, leaving at least one of those two in a bad spot, while the “meat” of the conference deals with the mismatches that result.&quot;

The Big XII and SEC are also getting two teams into the BCS on a regular basis - and it isn&#039;t resulting in unfavorable matchups.  I guess the difference is that the Big Ten&#039;s second team generally doesn&#039;t seem to deserve to be in a BCS bowl (tOSU this year, Ill last year), whereas the Big XII&#039;s second team does (Texas this year, Kansas last year).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The bowls are not drawn up years ahead of time. From their inception, they have very specific conference affiliation: champ goes here, #2 goes there, #3 goes there, etc. (Or, more specifically, the bowl gets first choice, second choice, third choice, etc. which usually ends up being 1-2-3-etc.).&#8221;</p>
<p>While this is generally true.  The bowl affiliations are just long term agreements &#8211; they can change.  The latest round of bowl arrangements has seen the Big East get shoved down to worse bowls because of the perceived weakness of the conference.</p>
<p>&#8220;But back to the main point: The Big 10 isn’t getting bad matchups because they’re a weak conference. They’re getting unfavorable matchups because their popularity is resulting in getting two teams to BCS games on a regular basis, leaving at least one of those two in a bad spot, while the “meat” of the conference deals with the mismatches that result.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Big XII and SEC are also getting two teams into the BCS on a regular basis &#8211; and it isn&#8217;t resulting in unfavorable matchups.  I guess the difference is that the Big Ten&#8217;s second team generally doesn&#8217;t seem to deserve to be in a BCS bowl (tOSU this year, Ill last year), whereas the Big XII&#8217;s second team does (Texas this year, Kansas last year).</p>
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		<title>By: jimmy</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article and perspective, I watched a great game last night rooting for an underdog NW team that just missed for the Big Ten. One failed PAT attempt away from an upset, disappointing but a fun game to watch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article and perspective, I watched a great game last night rooting for an underdog NW team that just missed for the Big Ten. One failed PAT attempt away from an upset, disappointing but a fun game to watch.</p>
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		<title>By: lancelott</title>
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		<dc:creator>lancelott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 05:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m sad/pissed the northwestern gave up a perfectly winnable game against Missouri. what a great finish that would have been to a surprising season. ah, well, lets hope the rest of the big ten does better and tOSU beats the snot out of texas.

i mean, stranger things have happened (see: 9-4 northwestern comparend to 2007)...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m sad/pissed the northwestern gave up a perfectly winnable game against Missouri. what a great finish that would have been to a surprising season. ah, well, lets hope the rest of the big ten does better and tOSU beats the snot out of texas.</p>
<p>i mean, stranger things have happened (see: 9-4 northwestern comparend to 2007)&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 21:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you. The B10 has been matched against higher ranked teams in bowls for years.

One correction: Michigan lost to Appy State on the Big Ten Network, not on National TV. The highlights spread so fast that it just seemed like it was on national TV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you. The B10 has been matched against higher ranked teams in bowls for years.</p>
<p>One correction: Michigan lost to Appy State on the Big Ten Network, not on National TV. The highlights spread so fast that it just seemed like it was on national TV.</p>
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