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	<title>Comments on: Reasons you can still be cautiously optimistic</title>
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		<title>By: chuck</title>
		<link>http://menofthescarletandgray.com/2008/09/11/reasons-you-can-still-be-cautiously-optimistic/comment-page-1/#comment-93268</link>
		<dc:creator>chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 00:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>woops, last line was supposed to say yet, only the Big 10 hammered and it doesn&#039;t get the pass the other conferences do ... thinking faster than my fingers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>woops, last line was supposed to say yet, only the Big 10 hammered and it doesn&#8217;t get the pass the other conferences do &#8230; thinking faster than my fingers</p>
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		<title>By: chuck</title>
		<link>http://menofthescarletandgray.com/2008/09/11/reasons-you-can-still-be-cautiously-optimistic/comment-page-1/#comment-93267</link>
		<dc:creator>chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 00:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sportsmonkey - you are right on when it comes to the VA game. The phrase &quot;the perception and spin of performance&quot; is probably the best description of how things work today in terms of evaluating games. 

A single game can end up  meaning totally different things depending on what description it is given by the talking heads. However, these varying descriptions really should be impossible if you think about it; the great thing about sports is that there is a score, one team wins the game while the other lost it, and every important game attribute is numerically quantifiable. But the spin is everything.

Take the Texas win a few years ago. That game ended up not buying any mileage for the Bucks once Texas lost to Kansas St. The Spin was that this was not a good  Texas team. But, that means it was still generally a damn good team we beat on the road. Had USC gone and beaten that same team, the win would have continued to have been pumped all year long and trotted out as a one of the great wins for SC that year. In contrast, after only a few weeks, that win for the Bucks was downgraded to an &quot;ok&quot; win on an overall weak schedule.

While I do think the Big 10 as a whole is not very good anymore COMPARED TO ITSELF of a decade ago, or to the present day SEC ... it is not even close to being as bad as the ACC or Big East. Yet, only the Big10 gets hammeree the way the other conferences do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sportsmonkey &#8211; you are right on when it comes to the VA game. The phrase &#8220;the perception and spin of performance&#8221; is probably the best description of how things work today in terms of evaluating games. </p>
<p>A single game can end up  meaning totally different things depending on what description it is given by the talking heads. However, these varying descriptions really should be impossible if you think about it; the great thing about sports is that there is a score, one team wins the game while the other lost it, and every important game attribute is numerically quantifiable. But the spin is everything.</p>
<p>Take the Texas win a few years ago. That game ended up not buying any mileage for the Bucks once Texas lost to Kansas St. The Spin was that this was not a good  Texas team. But, that means it was still generally a damn good team we beat on the road. Had USC gone and beaten that same team, the win would have continued to have been pumped all year long and trotted out as a one of the great wins for SC that year. In contrast, after only a few weeks, that win for the Bucks was downgraded to an &#8220;ok&#8221; win on an overall weak schedule.</p>
<p>While I do think the Big 10 as a whole is not very good anymore COMPARED TO ITSELF of a decade ago, or to the present day SEC &#8230; it is not even close to being as bad as the ACC or Big East. Yet, only the Big10 gets hammeree the way the other conferences do.</p>
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		<title>By: sportsMonkey</title>
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		<dc:creator>sportsMonkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David - no. Because OSU plays in the Big 10. Respect is all about (1) performance and (2) the perception and spin of performance.

You brought up Virginia: had OSU had the exact same game against Virgina, the Mark Mays of the world would be saying, &quot;...yeah, but Va is a bottom feeder in the nation&#039;s weakest conference, and their defense is entirely new, young, and untested.&quot; But USC plays them and he has to take a personal break to wipe the drool off his mouth, then talks NONSTOP about the awesome victory for two straight weeks.

If this team plays admirably against a recognized national power - then the respect will come (the talking heads won&#039;t have any choice, and the minions that allow the talking heads to think for them will go along like sheep).

Until then, OSU and the rest of the Big 10 will be doubted. It&#039;s what ESPN has written, it&#039;s what shall be done. It stinks, I know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David &#8211; no. Because OSU plays in the Big 10. Respect is all about (1) performance and (2) the perception and spin of performance.</p>
<p>You brought up Virginia: had OSU had the exact same game against Virgina, the Mark Mays of the world would be saying, &#8220;&#8230;yeah, but Va is a bottom feeder in the nation&#8217;s weakest conference, and their defense is entirely new, young, and untested.&#8221; But USC plays them and he has to take a personal break to wipe the drool off his mouth, then talks NONSTOP about the awesome victory for two straight weeks.</p>
<p>If this team plays admirably against a recognized national power &#8211; then the respect will come (the talking heads won&#8217;t have any choice, and the minions that allow the talking heads to think for them will go along like sheep).</p>
<p>Until then, OSU and the rest of the Big 10 will be doubted. It&#8217;s what ESPN has written, it&#8217;s what shall be done. It stinks, I know.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 21:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post.  Here&#039;s the thing I&#039;m curious about, though.  Everyone is citing USC&#039;s beatdown of Virginia as evidence that they are far superior, and it seems that our game against Ohio is a major reason for doubting us.  What would the national attitudes be if we had a bye week after beating up on YSU?  Or if we had similarly put away OU?  Does that bring us any amount of respect?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post.  Here&#8217;s the thing I&#8217;m curious about, though.  Everyone is citing USC&#8217;s beatdown of Virginia as evidence that they are far superior, and it seems that our game against Ohio is a major reason for doubting us.  What would the national attitudes be if we had a bye week after beating up on YSU?  Or if we had similarly put away OU?  Does that bring us any amount of respect?</p>
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