Comments on: Big 10 acknowledges mistakes in last year’s OSU/Illinois game http://menofthescarletandgray.com/2008/08/04/big-ten-acknowledges-mistakes/ An Ohio Sports Blog Sat, 13 Mar 2010 22:29:53 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: K*FREE of unvain.com http://menofthescarletandgray.com/2008/08/04/big-ten-acknowledges-mistakes/comment-page-1/#comment-91010 K*FREE of unvain.com Thu, 07 Aug 2008 06:59:11 +0000 http://menofthescarletandgray.com/?p=944#comment-91010 I-L-L ... I-N-I !!! Love you bro. I love your blog except that it mentions the Buckeyes so often. Don't forget to blog about the time that Illinois lost to Michigan (MUCK FICHIGAN) at the end of 2003 season because the ref blew a call on ground-forced fumble that gave the ball over to UMich instead of giving Illinois their earned first down. Good times! I-L-L … I-N-I !!!

Love you bro. I love your blog except that it mentions the Buckeyes so often.

Don’t forget to blog about the time that Illinois lost to Michigan (MUCK FICHIGAN) at the end of 2003 season because the ref blew a call on ground-forced fumble that gave the ball over to UMich instead of giving Illinois their earned first down.

Good times!

]]> By: sportsMonkey http://menofthescarletandgray.com/2008/08/04/big-ten-acknowledges-mistakes/comment-page-1/#comment-90995 sportsMonkey Wed, 06 Aug 2008 19:14:56 +0000 http://menofthescarletandgray.com/?p=944#comment-90995 generaladm - yes, I know that Tressel had 12 or 13 men on the field, as Illinois was setting up to punt. But this is because of a bunch of confusion was happening on the sidelines, for which there is no excuse... which is what I meant by "biggest sideline mistake." It certainly was his "costliest." The coaches should have made sure the players knew what down it was and to get off the field if the 3rd down stop occurred (which it did). They didn't, and some players were setting up for fourth and others were setting up for punt. Total mayhem and loss of control by the coaching staff. Tressel himself said that he shouldn't have called the TO, and should have taken his chances w/ the too many men penalty (shoot, the refs missed everything else that day): <a href="http://www.bucknuts.com/news/articles/2007/11/10/illinois-likely-dashes-osus-national-title-dreams" rel="nofollow">http://www.bucknuts.com/news/articles/2007/11/10/illinois-likely-dashes-osus-national-title-dreams</a> generaladm – yes, I know that Tressel had 12 or 13 men on the field, as Illinois was setting up to punt. But this is because of a bunch of confusion was happening on the sidelines, for which there is no excuse… which is what I meant by “biggest sideline mistake.” It certainly was his “costliest.”

The coaches should have made sure the players knew what down it was and to get off the field if the 3rd down stop occurred (which it did). They didn’t, and some players were setting up for fourth and others were setting up for punt. Total mayhem and loss of control by the coaching staff.

Tressel himself said that he shouldn’t have called the TO, and should have taken his chances w/ the too many men penalty (shoot, the refs missed everything else that day):

http://www.bucknuts.com/news/articles/2007/11/10/illinois-likely-dashes-osus-national-title-dreams

]]> By: Eleven Warriors » Ron Zook’s Staff Will Beat You Down for Recruits http://menofthescarletandgray.com/2008/08/04/big-ten-acknowledges-mistakes/comment-page-1/#comment-90976 Eleven Warriors » Ron Zook’s Staff Will Beat You Down for Recruits Wed, 06 Aug 2008 10:32:42 +0000 http://menofthescarletandgray.com/?p=944#comment-90976 [...] factoid of the day: the Buckeyes have have finished dead last — 119th — for three straight years in opponent penalty yards per game. The good teams are definitely going to get the shorter end of [...] [...] factoid of the day: the Buckeyes have have finished dead last — 119th — for three straight years in opponent penalty yards per game. The good teams are definitely going to get the shorter end of [...]

]]> By: generaladm http://menofthescarletandgray.com/2008/08/04/big-ten-acknowledges-mistakes/comment-page-1/#comment-90973 generaladm Wed, 06 Aug 2008 08:59:26 +0000 http://menofthescarletandgray.com/?p=944#comment-90973 I agree with you that the officiating affected the outcome of the Illinois game, but you were wrong on one point. When Tressel called the timeout before the punt, OSU had 12 men on the field. There would have been a 5 yard penalty, and ILL would have retained possession anyway. In the moment, it was the right call. I agree with you that the officiating affected the outcome of the Illinois game, but you were wrong on one point. When Tressel called the timeout before the punt, OSU had 12 men on the field. There would have been a 5 yard penalty, and ILL would have retained possession anyway. In the moment, it was the right call.

]]> By: YNBA http://menofthescarletandgray.com/2008/08/04/big-ten-acknowledges-mistakes/comment-page-1/#comment-90951 YNBA Tue, 05 Aug 2008 16:28:47 +0000 http://menofthescarletandgray.com/?p=944#comment-90951 The thing about the no-call on the Benn "pick" in the endzone for Illinois TD was that it happened about 10 feet in front of the back judge(and he was looking right at it...annoying). That whole game just had a strange feel to it, and some of the facts that came out concerning the officiating crew (after the fact) were not surprising...at all The thing about the no-call on the Benn “pick” in the endzone for Illinois TD was that it happened about 10 feet in front of the back judge(and he was looking right at it…annoying).

That whole game just had a strange feel to it, and some of the facts that came out concerning the officiating crew (after the fact) were not surprising…at all

]]> By: sportsMonkey http://menofthescarletandgray.com/2008/08/04/big-ten-acknowledges-mistakes/comment-page-1/#comment-90948 sportsMonkey Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:11:29 +0000 http://menofthescarletandgray.com/?p=944#comment-90948 Ron - I agree that there's _somewhat_ of a trend. But "better schools trending toward the bottom" is way different than "consistently dead last year after year after year." Texas, for instance, in their title year of 2005, finished rather high (28th). And the other dominant programs of the past few years that DO "cluster" toward the bottom of the scale are scattered hapazardly... a bit higher some years, lower others, switching places, etc. Only OSU has been dead last four of the past five years. I think what it signals is a _unique_ behavior among Big 10 officials. Take USC - they've been just as dominant in the Pac 10 as OSU has in the Big 10 - perhaps even more so - yet PAC 10 officials are calling more penalties on their opponents. No, I still argue that OSU's situation is unique, here. Ron – I agree that there’s _somewhat_ of a trend. But “better schools trending toward the bottom” is way different than “consistently dead last year after year after year.”

Texas, for instance, in their title year of 2005, finished rather high (28th). And the other dominant programs of the past few years that DO “cluster” toward the bottom of the scale are scattered hapazardly… a bit higher some years, lower others, switching places, etc.

Only OSU has been dead last four of the past five years.

I think what it signals is a _unique_ behavior among Big 10 officials. Take USC – they’ve been just as dominant in the Pac 10 as OSU has in the Big 10 – perhaps even more so – yet PAC 10 officials are calling more penalties on their opponents.

No, I still argue that OSU’s situation is unique, here.

]]> By: Ron http://menofthescarletandgray.com/2008/08/04/big-ten-acknowledges-mistakes/comment-page-1/#comment-90946 Ron Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:37:45 +0000 http://menofthescarletandgray.com/?p=944#comment-90946 Looking at those CFB stats, I don't think OSU is singled-out for special attention. There appears to be a reasonably consistent cluster of who's at the bottom, and who's at the top of that list. Smaller/weaker schools (Minnesota excepted!) seem to be at the top, while larger more dominant programs are at the bottom. From this, one can infer that the smaller schools get a "pass" from the officials, which is not an unreasonable response when a team is getting their asses kicked. Looking at those CFB stats, I don’t think OSU is singled-out for special attention. There appears to be a reasonably consistent cluster of who’s at the bottom, and who’s at the top of that list. Smaller/weaker schools (Minnesota excepted!) seem to be at the top, while larger more dominant programs are at the bottom. From this, one can infer that the smaller schools get a “pass” from the officials, which is not an unreasonable response when a team is getting their asses kicked.

]]> By: sportsMonkey http://menofthescarletandgray.com/2008/08/04/big-ten-acknowledges-mistakes/comment-page-1/#comment-90927 sportsMonkey Tue, 05 Aug 2008 00:41:18 +0000 http://menofthescarletandgray.com/?p=944#comment-90927 I apologize retroactively for such a poorly written article. Wow... so much room for improvement, there. I apologize retroactively for such a poorly written article. Wow… so much room for improvement, there.

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