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		<title>By: Lllloyd Carr skirts the rules of decency, loses</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lllloyd Carr skirts the rules of decency, loses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] MotSaG has the story down in a nice summary, but here&#8217;s a quick lowdown; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://menofthescarletandgray.com/2006/10/24/mack-lloyd/comment-page-1/#comment-896</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 16:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wish Lloyd Carr and Urban Meyer would both stop whining!  Urban, you get your shot now.  Lloyd, you had there chance against Ohio State and you lost.  And don&#039;t complain about playing onOhio State &#039;s homefield as that didn&#039;t stop Texas from proving the doubters wrong last year when they beat USC on USC&#039;s home field in the Rose Bowl.  Champions win the big games.  Everyone knows Michigan is number 2, so what would you rather do, lose again toOhio State or win the Rose Bowl?  Florida will be humiliated by Ohio State and USC by Michigan and everyone will still know that Michigan is number 2 and Ohio State is number 1.  All that is up for grabs is who else finishes in the top 5 and who starts next season ranked #1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wish Lloyd Carr and Urban Meyer would both stop whining!  Urban, you get your shot now.  Lloyd, you had there chance against Ohio State and you lost.  And don&#8217;t complain about playing onOhio State &#8216;s homefield as that didn&#8217;t stop Texas from proving the doubters wrong last year when they beat USC on USC&#8217;s home field in the Rose Bowl.  Champions win the big games.  Everyone knows Michigan is number 2, so what would you rather do, lose again toOhio State or win the Rose Bowl?  Florida will be humiliated by Ohio State and USC by Michigan and everyone will still know that Michigan is number 2 and Ohio State is number 1.  All that is up for grabs is who else finishes in the top 5 and who starts next season ranked #1.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://menofthescarletandgray.com/2006/10/24/mack-lloyd/comment-page-1/#comment-613</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 21:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember a few years ago when Scott Skiles was facing a drug &quot;problem&quot;?  As I recall, he never missed a game.  Then there is Steve Alford who posed for a photograph to be used in a calendar generating funds for a charity.  Alford missed the Indiana-Kentucky game.
Two years ago, Number 99 for Michigan State slugged a Wisconsin football player while he was lying on the ground near the end zone; a fact witnessed by fans in the end zone and reported to the officials and coaches of both clubs.  Nothing was ever done; perhaps because no foul was called.  The Arrington &quot;thing&quot; stinks up the entire Big-10.  Wasn&#039;t Carr featured in the TV spot a year ago talking about how the Big-10 sets the standard?  Where is Carr?  Where is UM?  Where is the Big-10?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember a few years ago when Scott Skiles was facing a drug &#8220;problem&#8221;?  As I recall, he never missed a game.  Then there is Steve Alford who posed for a photograph to be used in a calendar generating funds for a charity.  Alford missed the Indiana-Kentucky game.<br />
Two years ago, Number 99 for Michigan State slugged a Wisconsin football player while he was lying on the ground near the end zone; a fact witnessed by fans in the end zone and reported to the officials and coaches of both clubs.  Nothing was ever done; perhaps because no foul was called.  The Arrington &#8220;thing&#8221; stinks up the entire Big-10.  Wasn&#8217;t Carr featured in the TV spot a year ago talking about how the Big-10 sets the standard?  Where is Carr?  Where is UM?  Where is the Big-10?</p>
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		<title>By: sportsMonkey</title>
		<link>http://menofthescarletandgray.com/2006/10/24/mack-lloyd/comment-page-1/#comment-417</link>
		<dc:creator>sportsMonkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 16:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mich. Faithful - 

&gt;&gt;As for the whole of the scenario, Michigan has had a better track record, than TOSU, (as far as athletes in trouble). Remember the kid frm Cleveland (5-star recruit) robbed a few folks, then wound up in jail? Doesn’t happen at Michigan…&lt;&lt;

Uhh... it &lt;strong&gt;does&lt;/strong&gt; happen at Michigan, just as often as anywhere else. Carr has had to deal with plenty of bad apples up at UM, including (but in no way limited to): Woodson&#039;s booster issues; Charles Winters&#039; domestic violence issues; disorderly conduct from players like June, Stevens, and Stenavich; Harrison&#039;s sex offender issues; Arrington&#039;s alcohol/domestic abuse issues; and now Burgess&#039; burglary problems.

Not saying Carr is a bad coach. But to say that UM is immune from thug players is ridiculous. Every major program has to deal with them.

As for Arrington, who knows what the truth is. Only Arrington and his gf know, and their stories are changing every day. The most important point wasn&#039;t necessarily the legal end of it, but the team issue. Dude&#039;s the starting WR, UM is thin at WR, and he&#039;s driving around drunk the day before the PSU game, hours before the team has to leave? There&#039;s a bunch of stuff wrong there, both on the players&#039; side and the coaches.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mich. Faithful &#8211; </p>
<p>>>As for the whole of the scenario, Michigan has had a better track record, than TOSU, (as far as athletes in trouble). Remember the kid frm Cleveland (5-star recruit) robbed a few folks, then wound up in jail? Doesn’t happen at Michigan…< <</p>
<p>Uhh... it <strong>does happen at Michigan, just as often as anywhere else. Carr has had to deal with plenty of bad apples up at UM, including (but in no way limited to): Woodson&#8217;s booster issues; Charles Winters&#8217; domestic violence issues; disorderly conduct from players like June, Stevens, and Stenavich; Harrison&#8217;s sex offender issues; Arrington&#8217;s alcohol/domestic abuse issues; and now Burgess&#8217; burglary problems.</p>
<p>Not saying Carr is a bad coach. But to say that UM is immune from thug players is ridiculous. Every major program has to deal with them.</p>
<p>As for Arrington, who knows what the truth is. Only Arrington and his gf know, and their stories are changing every day. The most important point wasn&#8217;t necessarily the legal end of it, but the team issue. Dude&#8217;s the starting WR, UM is thin at WR, and he&#8217;s driving around drunk the day before the PSU game, hours before the team has to leave? There&#8217;s a bunch of stuff wrong there, both on the players&#8217; side and the coaches.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Michigan Faithful</title>
		<link>http://menofthescarletandgray.com/2006/10/24/mack-lloyd/comment-page-1/#comment-416</link>
		<dc:creator>Michigan Faithful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 16:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In case you haven&#039;t left from under your rock, lately...Adrian Arrington appeared at his arraignment, with his girlfriend.  She claims to have only contacted the police, and asked them to locate her car.  

Your comment that he &quot;roughed her up&quot; isn&#039;t accurate, in fact it is paraphrasing, in a way that is misleading.  As for the whole of the scenario, Michigan has had a better track record, than TOSU, (as far as athletes in trouble).  Remember the kid frm Cleveland (5-star recruit) robbed a few folks, then wound up in jail?  Doesn&#039;t happen at Michigan...let&#039;s not forget Mo Clarett.  Albeit, a sad story, by any standard.  

Tressel is a good coach, actually a superb one.  So is Carr, he was my brothers position coach, in the late 80&#039;s.  Carr has not done well against Tressell, but I honestly hope this game lives up to its billing, and Wolverines pop open a can of premium whoop ass, on TOSU.  

Blog that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In case you haven&#8217;t left from under your rock, lately&#8230;Adrian Arrington appeared at his arraignment, with his girlfriend.  She claims to have only contacted the police, and asked them to locate her car.  </p>
<p>Your comment that he &#8220;roughed her up&#8221; isn&#8217;t accurate, in fact it is paraphrasing, in a way that is misleading.  As for the whole of the scenario, Michigan has had a better track record, than TOSU, (as far as athletes in trouble).  Remember the kid frm Cleveland (5-star recruit) robbed a few folks, then wound up in jail?  Doesn&#8217;t happen at Michigan&#8230;let&#8217;s not forget Mo Clarett.  Albeit, a sad story, by any standard.  </p>
<p>Tressel is a good coach, actually a superb one.  So is Carr, he was my brothers position coach, in the late 80&#8242;s.  Carr has not done well against Tressell, but I honestly hope this game lives up to its billing, and Wolverines pop open a can of premium whoop ass, on TOSU.  </p>
<p>Blog that!</p>
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		<title>By: sportsMonkey</title>
		<link>http://menofthescarletandgray.com/2006/10/24/mack-lloyd/comment-page-1/#comment-413</link>
		<dc:creator>sportsMonkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2006 22:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michigan Fan - You think #1 in rush defense has anything to do with anything? It\&#039;s total defense and scoring defense that matters (and OSU is #1 in scoring defense).

Even ESPN was saying last weekend that UM\&#039;s defense, while good against the rush, isn\&#039;t in the same class as OSUs.

UM\&#039;s defense is #4 overall, and OSU\&#039;s is #10 overall. Sounds impressive, until you realize that OSU only allows 25 more yards per game than UM.

That\&#039;s right - &lt;strong&gt;only 25 yards more&lt;/strong&gt; per game. That\&#039;s not even a FG\&#039;s worth of difference. So feel free to brag that UM allows 25 fewer yards per game. We\&#039;ll brag that our average margin of victory is larger than the number of points UM is putting on the board each week.

UM will &lt;strong&gt;not&lt;/strong&gt; be able to rely on its defense to win the game. Its offense will have to put up some serious points to win. Do you think Henne\&#039;s boys can outscore Smith\&#039;s?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michigan Fan &#8211; You think #1 in rush defense has anything to do with anything? It\&#8217;s total defense and scoring defense that matters (and OSU is #1 in scoring defense).</p>
<p>Even ESPN was saying last weekend that UM\&#8217;s defense, while good against the rush, isn\&#8217;t in the same class as OSUs.</p>
<p>UM\&#8217;s defense is #4 overall, and OSU\&#8217;s is #10 overall. Sounds impressive, until you realize that OSU only allows 25 more yards per game than UM.</p>
<p>That\&#8217;s right &#8211; <strong>only 25 yards more</strong> per game. That\&#8217;s not even a FG\&#8217;s worth of difference. So feel free to brag that UM allows 25 fewer yards per game. We\&#8217;ll brag that our average margin of victory is larger than the number of points UM is putting on the board each week.</p>
<p>UM will <strong>not</strong> be able to rely on its defense to win the game. Its offense will have to put up some serious points to win. Do you think Henne\&#8217;s boys can outscore Smith\&#8217;s?</p>
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		<title>By: Michigan Fan</title>
		<link>http://menofthescarletandgray.com/2006/10/24/mack-lloyd/comment-page-1/#comment-412</link>
		<dc:creator>Michigan Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2006 19:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who gives a crap but in 18 days its osu gonna lose osu&#039;s offence aint got shit on the #1 rush defence in the nation and the #5 defence over all in the nation but i will say its gonna be a battle of defences or special teams that day but mich will come out on top victorious cuz they are better</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who gives a crap but in 18 days its osu gonna lose osu&#8217;s offence aint got shit on the #1 rush defence in the nation and the #5 defence over all in the nation but i will say its gonna be a battle of defences or special teams that day but mich will come out on top victorious cuz they are better</p>
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		<title>By: sportsMonkey</title>
		<link>http://menofthescarletandgray.com/2006/10/24/mack-lloyd/comment-page-1/#comment-386</link>
		<dc:creator>sportsMonkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 03:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan,

Santonio Holmes was cleared of all charges in that incident.

At any rate, you&#039;ve proved my point. Santonio was cleared of all charges, yet was still punished by Tressel in the meantime. Just like Mack Brown did with Tarrell Brown.

Whether or not Arrington is cleared, Carr chose not to punish him. If he punishes him now, it&#039;s &quot;interesting&quot; that it happens only after a media outcry and the PSU/Iowa games.

sM

PS: I could find no mention of a girl with &quot;broken wrist&quot; or another who was &quot;unconscious.&quot; One girl claimed to have a broken jaw, but apparently didn&#039;t blame Holmes for it. The &quot;rumor&quot; about the incident was that Holmes and Smith had attempted to intervene to break up a fight between other people.

Apples and oranges, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan,</p>
<p>Santonio Holmes was cleared of all charges in that incident.</p>
<p>At any rate, you&#8217;ve proved my point. Santonio was cleared of all charges, yet was still punished by Tressel in the meantime. Just like Mack Brown did with Tarrell Brown.</p>
<p>Whether or not Arrington is cleared, Carr chose not to punish him. If he punishes him now, it&#8217;s &#8220;interesting&#8221; that it happens only after a media outcry and the PSU/Iowa games.</p>
<p>sM</p>
<p>PS: I could find no mention of a girl with &#8220;broken wrist&#8221; or another who was &#8220;unconscious.&#8221; One girl claimed to have a broken jaw, but apparently didn&#8217;t blame Holmes for it. The &#8220;rumor&#8221; about the incident was that Holmes and Smith had attempted to intervene to break up a fight between other people.</p>
<p>Apples and oranges, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://menofthescarletandgray.com/2006/10/24/mack-lloyd/comment-page-1/#comment-384</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One girl with a broken wrist, another girl knocked unconscious...Troy Smith &amp; Santonio Holmes in the middle of all of this and charged only with &quot;disorderly conduct&quot;...any of that ring a bell? Just prior to UM-OSU 2003? And the punishment? Holmes was benched in the UM game *for the first offensive series*. Now I&#039;m not making any conclusions here, or anything, but...

Glass houses, stones, etc. 

Let&#039;s let the facts come out first. Is that too much to ask?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One girl with a broken wrist, another girl knocked unconscious&#8230;Troy Smith &amp; Santonio Holmes in the middle of all of this and charged only with &#8220;disorderly conduct&#8221;&#8230;any of that ring a bell? Just prior to UM-OSU 2003? And the punishment? Holmes was benched in the UM game *for the first offensive series*. Now I&#8217;m not making any conclusions here, or anything, but&#8230;</p>
<p>Glass houses, stones, etc. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s let the facts come out first. Is that too much to ask?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 04:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that&#039;s about as perfect as that could be illustrated. Very nice!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that&#8217;s about as perfect as that could be illustrated. Very nice!</p>
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